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Aug 8 2008, 05:57 AM (Post #1)
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http://hothardware.com/News/OCZ_Core_Serie...tor_Sneak_Peek/

The SSD vs the fastest non-SSD, tested.

This is pretty amazing. A 64 GB laptop hard drive is 246 dollars, shipped. Amazing.
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Apr 17 2009, 07:39 PM (Post #2)
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It still costs 3x+ more than non SSD \=
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Apr 17 2009, 07:55 PM (Post #3)
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I don't know s*it about labtops, in general, so this knowledge is from my experiance with desktops.

A 64 gig hard drive should cost like 60$, new, and you should be able to find a deal on it and get it cheaper than that. 64 gigs is tiny.
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Apr 17 2009, 08:40 PM (Post #4)
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SSD is basically a special hard drive which is incredibly fast. Not very important for most people, and certainly not worth the cost yet. In time it'll go down in price and disk space will go up.
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Apr 17 2009, 09:50 PM (Post #5)
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I'm so out of date....

Is SSD the one that uses that small plug, instead of the large ribbon cable? That's what I am using right now, the small plug type.
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Apr 18 2009, 01:15 AM (Post #6)
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Solid state drives use the same kind of technology as that in flash chips (think SD cards and stuff), but faster. Silicon designs are much easier to improve by improving the architecture and the manufacturing process because we're still far from the physical limits of capacity and speed, but magnetic storage is approaching its limit, so it'll only be a few years before SSD prices match HD prices.

As for actual solid state drives like the one that's linked above, MOST of the time SSDs are awesome—several factors faster—but as you might know, I/O is way faster when done sequentially. When you have two programs that are both trying to write or read, the drive will hang. Basically the firmware isn't good enough to efficiently manage and avoid deadlock.
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Apr 18 2009, 02:34 AM (Post #7)
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That'll go up pretty soon, methinks.
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Apr 18 2009, 06:59 PM (Post #8)
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I don't get why that extra speed is worth paying for.
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Apr 18 2009, 07:38 PM (Post #9)
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QUOTE (Black-Cat-Keeserat @ Apr 18 2009, 10:59 AM)
I don't get why that extra speed is worth paying for.
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Because you computer is only as fast as the slowest component because of the pipelined architecture. Obviously the slowest component is your hard drive. Your cache is incredibly fast already because it's SRAM. Your memory is reasonably fast for the occasional cache miss because even DRAM is faster than magnetic storage. But since everything's stored on disk, everything has to be loaded from disk. That means if you have a disk that's 5x faster, you can boot in like 10-15s (since the other factors are not limitations), load programs almost instantaneously, and read/write large files quickly.

The main reason I like SSDs is not that it's faster—I can wait a couple more seconds for my browser to load. It's because SSDs are durable (if you drop your laptop while the hard drive's write mode is on, you're screwed), silent, cool, and power-saving. Eventually I want a laptop with SSDs because I want my laptop to be exactly that: durable, silent, cool, and power-efficient so I can compute for longer.

In fact I'd much rather have a 64GB SSD (if they fix the deadlock issue) than a 250 GB HD simply because it'll last my laptop longer.
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Apr 18 2009, 07:54 PM (Post #10)
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Ah, faster boot times, and less battery use. That makes sense. For a labtop

As far as running programs instantly, I can't think of a program I have that takes a wile to load, except for a knock off version of M$ word, and photoshop.

As far as how long it takes me to get into windows, to where I can do whatever I want, it must be over a full minute. I know that isn't terrible, but If I could lower that down to 15 seconds, that would kick some major ass. Maybe mine's so slow because my XP OS is on an oldschool ribbon cable hard drive. My newer HD, the one that has vista on it, is a half terabyte, and it's got like 500 megs left on it. When I load vista, it usually doesn't take as long as on XP, if it makes it to OS on the first try, wich it usually doesn't.

As far as space though, 64 gigs is enough to house my OS, maybe 3 of my favorite games, a couple hours of music, and my game making stuff. I guess that would be good enough for a labtop, but it's so tiny. I couldn't emulate dvds anymore, or many cds. I much prefere emulating DVDs than having to actually feed them in every time I want to use them.


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Apr 18 2009, 08:31 PM (Post #11)
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i have a 60 gig hd on my laptop and it's fine for me. still got 10 gigs free space left. i put movies on my desktop or external, and connect remotely to watch them.

Apart from the fan running, my laptop is plenty quiet for me. cooler + power saving would be nice though.
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Apr 18 2009, 08:41 PM (Post #12)
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Good battery life is worth so much in a labtop. I never liked labtops, because I don't tend to need to use a computer when I am out and about. Still, if I did get one, it would need at least 6 hours of battery life. Anything less would be annoying.

My computer sounds like a freaking vaccum cleaner when all it's fans kick on. I am pushing the most I can get out of it, and when I run programs that actually use that extra bit I am pulling, all the fans kick on at once, and it's loud as hell. I can see the temp gauge just swinging down when those fans kick on, so I know they work. It's pretty cool, except for the noise. Usually they are only on for maybe a minute before the temp goes down to where they don't need to be on anymore.
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May 1 2009, 02:41 PM (Post #13)
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I was at a computer store the other day, because they had a good deal on a mini-computer, and I was thinking about buying it. It had just a little, 8 gig solid state hard drive. Running XP, with a duel core processor, and a gig or Ram, it took what seemed to me to be just as long to get to where I could run programs as I wanted to as my home computer.

Is the bonus speed that you get in starting the computer with a solid state HD only on vista?
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May 1 2009, 04:55 PM (Post #14)
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Oh, those 8 gig solid state drives are the slow kind, and also XP doesn't have the support for solid state speed-ups
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May 1 2009, 05:09 PM (Post #15)
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ah, that's the problem. So, this computer is 220$, 8 gigs, comes with another 8gig card, and has a decent processor, and a gig of ram. You think it's worth buying? I have a copy of vista I could put on it, already.
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