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Dec 22 2009, 06:16 PM (Post #1)
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Disney's first cartoon movie in awhile, featuring a black princess which signals a breakthrough -- What are your thoughts that it took until 2009 for this to happen, and has anyone seen it?
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Dec 22 2009, 10:40 PM (Post #2)
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QUOTE (Albert @ Dec 22 2009, 01:16 PM)
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I'm more surprised that they did a traditional "princess" movie again at all. I do recall at least two prominent "women of color" in big roles in Disney cartoon films though...Pocahontas, and Jasmine from Aladdin. Unless of course, only blacks count as minorities, and Amerindians and Arabs are part of the RACIST American children's movie company's idea of whiteness.

That, and Mulan was Asian! Anyway, I wonder if the film is actually good, and how much of it having the "first African-American princess" and being set in N'Olans weighs on the critical perception of the actual quality of the film. But I'll reserve my judgment until I actually see it—if I must.
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Dec 22 2009, 11:25 PM (Post #3)
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QUOTE (Jodi Gajadar @ Dec 22 2009, 03:40 PM)
I'm more surprised that they did a traditional "princess" movie again at all. I do recall at least two prominent "women of color" in big roles in Disney cartoon films though...Pocahontas, and Jasmine from Aladdin. Unless of course, only blacks count as minorities, and Amerindians and Arabs are part of the RACIST American children's movie company's idea of whiteness.

That, and Mulan was Asian!  Anyway, I wonder if the film is actually good, and how much of it having the "first African-American princess" and being set in N'Olans weighs on the critical perception of the actual quality of the film. But I'll reserve my judgment until I actually see it—if I must.
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OH WAIT, WHERE IS THE WHITE PRINCESS?


And then you realize, Snow White.
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Dec 22 2009, 11:43 PM (Post #4)
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QUOTE (Albert @ Dec 22 2009, 06:25 PM)
OH WAIT, WHERE IS THE WHITE PRINCESS?
And then you realize, Snow White.
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Isn't Snow White like albino or something?
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Dec 26 2009, 10:09 PM (Post #5)
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QUOTE (Jodi Gajadar @ Dec 22 2009, 05:40 PM)
I'm more surprised that they did a traditional "princess" movie again at all. I do recall at least two prominent "women of color" in big roles in Disney cartoon films though...Pocahontas, and Jasmine from Aladdin. Unless of course, only blacks count as minorities, and Amerindians and Arabs are part of the RACIST American children's movie company's idea of whiteness.

That, and Mulan was Asian!  Anyway, I wonder if the film is actually good, and how much of it having the "first African-American princess" and being set in N'Olans weighs on the critical perception of the actual quality of the film. But I'll reserve my judgment until I actually see it—if I must.
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Dec 26 2009, 10:10 PM (Post #6)
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QUOTE (Jodi Gajadar @ Dec 22 2009, 04:43 PM)
Isn't Snow White like albino or something?
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Is she? She is quite white...
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Dec 26 2009, 10:13 PM (Post #7)
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QUOTE (Jodi Gajadar @ Dec 22 2009, 03:40 PM)

That, and Mulan was Asian!  Anyway, I wonder if the film is actually good, and how much of it having the "first African-American princess" and being set in N'Olans weighs on the critical perception of the actual quality of the film. But I'll reserve my judgment until I actually see it—if I must.
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And despite the fact that Mulan was Asian, you could see so many gender stereotypes in that film replayed out:

A Man Worth Fighting For
Ping vs Mulan (a la the final scene, where they refuse to trust Mulan but sentiments change when she asks what about Ping)
Women unfit for war
Women needing to have a man picked for them


I don't know about you, but I would reserve Disney movies for my kids until they are at least in their teens. In a ways, Mulan, as well as Beauty and the Beast, Snow White, Lion King, Little Mermaid, Bambi all seem to promote bad gender habits, which of course, are obviously played out in real life (Exhibit A: 99.5% of all college males are douchebags towards women in some way).
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Dec 26 2009, 10:31 PM (Post #8)
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QUOTE (Albert @ Dec 26 2009, 05:13 PM)
And despite the fact that Mulan was Asian, you could see so many gender stereotypes in that film replayed out:

A Man Worth Fighting For
Ping vs Mulan (a la the final scene, where they refuse to trust Mulan but sentiments change when she asks what about Ping)
Women unfit for war
Women needing to have a man picked for them


Mulan also promotes feminism and women's rights; in a lot of ways, it suggests a sort of Jeanne d'Arc role that women should aspire to be.

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Oh, and statistically speaking, arranged marriages are happier marriages.

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I don't know about you, but I would reserve Disney movies for my kids until they are at least in their teens.� In a ways, Mulan, as well as Beauty and the Beast, Snow White, Lion King, Little Mermaid, Bambi all seem to promote bad gender habits, which of course, are obviously played out in real life (Exhibit A:� 99.5% of all college males are douchebags towards women in some way).
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I'm sure... a lot of those stories are, for the less obtuse, a gripping tale on how to overcome the stereotypes that may or may not exist in those movies.

That 99.5% that you mention, they're the result of poor socialization, their horrible parents and their stupid parenting, combined with their stupid friends.

To be a cynic on television, MTV likely affects children more anyway, especially the exposure during the formative early adolescence.

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Dec 27 2009, 01:15 AM (Post #9)
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QUOTE (Albert @ Dec 26 2009, 05:13 PM)
I don't know about you, but I would reserve Disney movies for my kids until they are at least in their teens.� In a ways, Mulan, as well as Beauty and the Beast, Snow White, Lion King, Little Mermaid, Bambi all seem to promote bad gender habits, which of course, are obviously played out in real life (Exhibit A:� 99.5% of all college males are douchebags towards women in some way).

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Men being douchebags is more a result of MTV shows like what is it "Jersey Shore Douchebags" and the like...I don't think it's so much a result of Disney movies.

Disney movies also promote the absolute superiority and romanticism of royalty ssmile.gif


edit: unspecific 'they' --> "Disney movies"

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