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Jan 20 2010, 01:23 PM (Post #1)
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Scott Brown ® just took over for Kennedy. First Republican Senator in nearly 30 years.

That makes 57 D, 1 I, 1 ID, and 41 R. R can now break the filibuster. And Brown is against Obama's healthcare. I am pleased.
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Jan 26 2010, 01:41 AM (Post #31)
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QUOTE (Key's rat @ Jan 25 2010, 07:32 PM)
I meant with anything that the government does that costs anyone any money, it trickles down to middle and lower class.  See, they make laws stating that only so much polution can be generated at a given factory, and then that company will need to spend money to comply.  Then, they pass along that as increases in the price.  If that happens to be in something like an electric generator, I would assume most people will be forced to pay it.  So, in exchange for cleaner air, the people who buy the electric pay.  It's not free, to anyone involved.

He said we wern't paying collectively.  I disagreed.  That's where I was going with that.

So, it's just as unethical, if it is unethical at all, to have polution control laws as to have a health care system, using tax money.  Either way, some people will pay more than they benefit for.  As a chain smoker, I don't benefit from cleaner air, in any way I care about.  Why should I pay for it?  Is that fair?
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I suppose you have a case there, but this is where society has to choose: is it worth having the cleanest air and water possible? Is it worth preventing desertification?
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Jan 26 2010, 04:09 AM (Post #32)
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QUOTE (Key's rat @ Jan 25 2010, 04:32 PM)
I meant with anything that the government does that costs anyone any money, it trickles down to middle and lower class.  See, they make laws stating that only so much polution can be generated at a given factory, and then that company will need to spend money to comply.  Then, they pass along that as increases in the price.  If that happens to be in something like an electric generator, I would assume most people will be forced to pay it.  So, in exchange for cleaner air, the people who buy the electric pay.  It's not free, to anyone involved.

He said we wern't paying collectively.  I disagreed.  That's where I was going with that.

So, it's just as unethical, if it is unethical at all, to have polution control laws as to have a health care system, using tax money.  Either way, some people will pay more than they benefit for.  As a chain smoker, I don't benefit from cleaner air, in any way I care about.  Why should I pay for it?  Is that fair?
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That assessment is wrong, and a basic high school microeconomics course will teach you that.
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Jan 26 2010, 07:01 PM (Post #33)
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QUOTE (Jinghao @ Jan 26 2010, 04:09 AM)
That assessment is wrong, and a basic high school microeconomics course will teach you that.
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Eh, I took macro, explain it to me.
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Jan 26 2010, 07:04 PM (Post #34)
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QUOTE (Jodi Gajadar @ Jan 26 2010, 01:41 AM)
I suppose you have a case there, but this is where society has to choose: is it worth having the cleanest air and water possible? Is it worth preventing desertification?
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And is it worth paying to prevent the spread of disease, prevent people from getting sick, raise life expectancy/quality and productiveness? I think it benefits everyone, some people more than others, but still, at some point, just about everyone benefits at least a little. talking about health care reform now.

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Jan 27 2010, 06:37 AM (Post #35)
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QUOTE (AWESOM-O @ Jan 25 2010, 04:00 AM)
Which demonstrates my voting strategy. Assuming you vote for one of the two main parties, find someone who supports the other one. Then you both stay home. It has the same net effect as you both voting. (Assuming winner-take-all state)

Granted, Al will feel more at home in MA.
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There are other things to vote for too you know. I'm not staying home because of one issue. Such sissiness.
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Jan 27 2010, 01:32 PM (Post #36)
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QUOTE (Albert @ Jan 27 2010, 01:37 AM)
There are other things to vote for too you know.  I'm not staying home because of one issue.  Such sissiness.
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I wasn't referring to an issue. I was referring to the party. If you vote for Obama and I vote for McCain, then both staying home has the same net effect as both voting.
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Jan 29 2010, 10:27 PM (Post #37)
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QUOTE (AWESOM-O @ Jan 27 2010, 08:32 AM)
I wasn't referring to an issue. I was referring to the party. If you vote for Obama and I vote for McCain, then both staying home has the same net effect as both voting.
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I would do one or two things to that system.

A: Convince multiple people to form that pact with me,

B: Go anyway.
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Jan 30 2010, 12:28 AM (Post #38)
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QUOTE (Pikajew @ Jan 29 2010, 05:27 PM)
I would do one or two things to that system.

A: Convince multiple people to form that pact with me,

B: Go anyway.
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Brilliant.
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Jan 30 2010, 12:37 AM (Post #39)
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QUOTE (Pikajew @ Jan 29 2010, 05:27 PM)

B: Go anyway.
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You're not supposed to tell him that.
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Jan 31 2010, 06:19 AM (Post #40)
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QUOTE (NAOUGHW @ Jan 29 2010, 07:37 PM)
You're not supposed to tell him that.
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I don't care if Jay knows; I care if the people I contract with know.
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Jan 31 2010, 06:39 AM (Post #41)
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But there's still Al.
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Jan 31 2010, 06:38 PM (Post #42)
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Oooh, collusion.
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Jan 31 2010, 11:54 PM (Post #43)
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QUOTE (Albert @ Jan 31 2010, 01:38 PM)
Oooh, collusion.
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