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Jun 8 2010, 08:01 AM (Post #1)
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Recently, I've been playing an online MMORPG known as Runescape. I've never had a major problem with it, until just yesterday. In order to advance with a quest in the game, you have to collect these things known as "ecto-tokens". How do you get ecto-tokens? Well, you have to worship something called an ectofuntus.

I felt dismayed that I had to do such a thing. Even though it's just a game, am I not consciously making something worship something else? I'm a Christian, and not supposed to be worshiping anything but my GOD.

What do you guys think?
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Jun 8 2010, 11:32 AM (Post #2)
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I play a game (Diablo) where we kill the devil. Which I'm pretty sure isn't very christian-like either, but I could be wrong.

As long as you don't have a shrine that you kneel before and pray to ectofuntus, I think you're fine. I suppose you can ask a priest for his opinion, though. Where is that guy, now that I think about it? Damn, I don't even remember his screen name. Cris Davis.
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Jun 8 2010, 11:33 AM (Post #3)
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keeserat, thats it
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Jun 8 2010, 11:45 AM (Post #4)
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Ok i googled the no-worship bit. Most of it is the have-no-other-god-before-me bit. I don't think ectofuntus counts as a god, so I'm going to ignore that part.

Closest thing I found:

Exodus 20:4
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4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

You didn't make it, so you're good on this count.

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5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them;

Ok you're right, you're screwed. Know what the best part of christianity is, though? You can sin all you want as long as you believe in jesus and ask for forgiveness sbiggrin.gif

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for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me

*blinks* Dunno about you, but that doesn't sound very fair....Did your parents, grand parents, or great-grand parents hate him by any other chance?

edit3: what the hell does it mean by "you should have no other gods before me" anyway? He's acknowledging that there are more gods?

This post has been edited by AWESOM-O: Jun 8 2010, 11:51 AM
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Jun 8 2010, 03:08 PM (Post #5)
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QUOTE (AWESOM-O @ Jun 8 2010, 04:45 AM)
Ok i googled the no-worship bit. Most of it is the have-no-other-god-before-me bit. I don't think ectofuntus counts as a god, so I'm going to ignore that part.

Closest thing I found:

Exodus 20:4

You didn't make it, so you're good on this count.

edit1:

Ok you're right, you're screwed. Know what the best part of christianity is, though? You can sin all you want as long as you believe in jesus and ask for forgiveness sbiggrin.gif

edit2:

*blinks* Dunno about you, but that doesn't sound very fair....Did your parents, grand parents, or great-grand parents hate him by any other chance?

edit3: what the hell does it mean by "you should have no other gods before me" anyway? He's acknowledging that there are more gods?
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God is telling Moses here that he is the only one out there that is legitimate. To worship another would show a lack of respect and faith.
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Jun 8 2010, 03:11 PM (Post #6)
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QUOTE (Dancing Fool @ Jun 8 2010, 01:01 AM)
Recently, I've been playing an online MMORPG known as Runescape.  I've never had a major problem with it, until just yesterday.  In order to advance with a quest in the game, you have to collect these things known as "ecto-tokens".  How do you get ecto-tokens?  Well, you have to worship something called an ectofuntus.

I felt dismayed that I had to do such a thing.  Even though it's just a game, am I not consciously making something worship something else?  I'm a Christian, and not supposed to be worshiping anything but my GOD.

What do you guys think?
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I'm looking at this in gray area. I think within the Bible, it saw idols and other gods as something you do deliberately. Remember that during that time, Christianity was competing with other Mesopotamian faiths (if you have read The Epic of Gilgamesh you may know what I mean) where there were multiple Gods.

As you are worshiping a God out of a non-religious context (not by your control, but by the game), I think you are fine. Still, if you were to ask your pastor I think he'd argue differently. If you were to ask me -- you're not trying to smite Him, just trying to beat a game.

Does this make sense?
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Jun 9 2010, 03:46 AM (Post #7)
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Maybe what we should be discussing is not whether this counts as the type of worship that is prohibited in the Bible, but whether this counts as worship at all.
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Jun 9 2010, 05:12 PM (Post #8)
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QUOTE (Dancing Fool @ Jun 8 2010, 03:01 AM)
Recently, I've been playing an online MMORPG known as Runescape.  I've never had a major problem with it, until just yesterday.  In order to advance with a quest in the game, you have to collect these things known as "ecto-tokens".  How do you get ecto-tokens?  Well, you have to worship something called an ectofuntus.

I felt dismayed that I had to do such a thing.  Even though it's just a game, am I not consciously making something worship something else?  I'm a Christian, and not supposed to be worshiping anything but my GOD.

What do you guys think?
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You're not worshiping, your little bit-constructed character is.

QUOTE (Jinghao @ Jun 8 2010, 10:46 PM)
Maybe what we should be discussing is not whether this counts as the type of worship that is prohibited in the Bible, but whether this counts as worship at all.
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Princeton's top definition of worship is "idolize: love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess; venerate as an idol". In that regard, a lot of things we do can be construed as worship. However, this does not seem to be the case.
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Jun 9 2010, 07:41 PM (Post #9)
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I'd be weary of looking at exact wording of a definition. After all, it wasn't written in English.
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Jun 10 2010, 02:02 AM (Post #10)
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The basic idea, I imagine, holds through translation. There is no actual worship happening, ie: there is no real prayer in the game to a higher divinity. It's little different than talking about people worshiping an idol.
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Jun 10 2010, 08:22 PM (Post #11)
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Well, let me clarify some points...

Firstly, the ectofuntus is supposed to be a "living being" inside the game. You have to worship it to get ecto-tokens, to be able to advance with a quest.

This could, indeed, be considered a form of idolatry. Even though the ectofuntus isn't real, idols represented gods that weren't real either. Sure, idols may be made out of stone, wood, etc. You know, raw material. But, if you think about it, the ectofuntus does technically exist from a standpoint of matter because its made out of pixels. The game itself comes down to binary code, as all computer programs do, which is just a bunch of 1's and 0's. However, the 1's and 0's are representative of electricity, which is a real thing. So, technically, it would be an idol made out of manipulated electricity.

The real argument, in my opinion, comes down to whether or not it's ok for me to tell my character to worship this thing or not. My character exists from a standpoint of matter, but not from a standpoint of having a conscious mind. You need a conscious mind to worship something. So it's obvious my character isn't worshiping it. But still, am I submitting to false worship to advance with the game?

I imagine we could get a pretty big philosophical debate out of this.

"Ok you're right, you're screwed. Know what the best part of christianity is, though? You can sin all you want as long as you believe in jesus and ask for forgiveness"

That's not entirely true. You have to love Jesus and believe in Him in order to get into Heaven. So how do you do that? Well, Jesus answers by saying this: "If you love me, do my commandments." So if you're purposely breaking His commandments, then it's obvious you don't love Him. Sure, if you break commandments and say sorry, and really mean it, then you're in ship-shape. But, if you say sorry with the intention of continuing to sin, then it's obvious you weren't sorry and won't be forgiven.

"*blinks* Dunno about you, but that doesn't sound very fair....Did your parents, grand parents, or great-grand parents hate him by any other chance?"

That's an unfortunate part of life. The fact of the matter is this: the Bible teaches that sin passes from generation to generation, that's its nature. According to the Bible, humanity is still feeling the effects of the original sin in the Garden of Eden. This explains sickness and disease, as well as human's inability to reach their full mental capacity, our inability to see angels or anything spiritual, and our inability to see GOD. In fact, because of our sin, GOD the Father cannot even look upon us because if He does, we'll be destroyed. Jesus paid the penalty for sin. Does that mean that all sin is abolished? Not exactly. What that means is this: The penalty for sin is death. The death referred to here is known as the "second death", the death in which there is no resurrection. So you would cease to exist. However, Jesus paid the penalty for you. So that gives us the ability to ask for forgiveness and receive it, as long as we're truly sorry. So, during the judgment, all of our sins in which we asked forgiveness for (and meant it!) will fall upon Jesus, and be abolished because Jesus already paid the penalty for us. It's really quite poetic if you get down to it. The creator creates a being. Creation sins and the creator doesn't want the creation to pay the price. So who better to pay the price than the creator? That's why I know that Jesus rocks!

"what the hell does it mean by "you should have no other gods before me" anyway? He's acknowledging that there are more gods?"

Nah, he's not acknowledging that there are more gods. However, humans had invented gods. Humans also thought that idols were gods. So GOD is telling us to throw all of that away, because there is only one. That one is GOD - The LORD - Jehovah - The Great I AM.
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Jun 11 2010, 01:12 AM (Post #12)
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I fear you are outside of the One True Church, anyway, so even disposing of this "ectofuntus" idol won't be enough. Renounce the heretical teachings to which you are accustomed and repent. In the name of Christ and Holy Mother Church—repent!
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Jun 11 2010, 01:37 AM (Post #13)
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Lol...wut?
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Jun 11 2010, 06:11 AM (Post #14)
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QUOTE (AWESOM-O @ Jun 8 2010, 06:45 AM)
edit3: what the hell does it mean by "you should have no other gods before me" anyway? He's acknowledging that there are more gods?
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YHWH is the patron deity of the city of Jerusalem in the neolithic age. It was an interesting, almost monastic system where each city had their own deity, and worshiped within its walls.

My guess is that worship of some other city's deity would be considered traitorous.
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Jun 11 2010, 07:55 AM (Post #15)
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Wasn't it because during that era competing faiths had multiple Gods and to smite their competition, Christians enacted this doctrine as part of the 10 commandments?
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