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Jan 9 2011, 07:08 PM (Post #1)
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It feels like a merging of V for Vendetta and some sort of doomsday film. I think this country is slowly losing itself with the murders of 6 yesterday, and the critical condition of Arizona Congresswoman Giffords.

We've lost this country.

Yesterday was essentially a culmination of maniacal talk that we've heard for awhile now. Whether its Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, John Boehner, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, I don't care - its essentially incentive for me to never vote on the national or state level again. The bickering is stupid, none of them are in there to serve us, but rather themselves. We need a reboot, and a complete one too, but I'm not sure we can take that.

So I don't know, I found myself kind of shaken yesterday, kind of wondering. What matters anymore on our national level? Republicans want to defenestrate every Dem policy, and Dems want to metaphorically fight these supposed changes with guns and knives. Such violent allegory makes me wonder whether this country is even worth living in anymore in the long run - you can paint me an anti-patriot, but you know, sometimes you have to leave a loved one because its better in the long run.

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Jan 9 2011, 08:01 PM (Post #2)
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I bet some of my ideas are starting to look pretty good, huh?

You know, you really ought to give a brief summary of what happened. Not everybody reads the news. A quick google search gives me pretty biased information that assumes everyone knows what happened.
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Jan 9 2011, 11:22 PM (Post #3)
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QUOTE (AWESOM-O @ Jan 9 2011, 03:01 PM)
You know, you really ought to give a brief summary of what happened. Not everybody reads the news. A quick google search gives me pretty biased information that assumes everyone knows what happened.
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Yes, please. I've not been keeping up with news of any sort within the last couple months.
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Jan 10 2011, 01:14 AM (Post #4)
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QUOTE (AWESOM-O @ Jan 9 2011, 01:01 PM)
I bet some of my ideas are starting to look pretty good, huh?

You know, you really ought to give a brief summary of what happened. Not everybody reads the news. A quick google search gives me pretty biased information that assumes everyone knows what happened.
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...which ideas? You have lots, and they tend to be quite extreme.
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Jan 10 2011, 01:15 AM (Post #5)
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QUOTE (AAAA @ Jan 9 2011, 04:22 PM)
Yes, please. I've not been keeping up with news of any sort within the last couple months.
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Your favorite media outlet has what you need to know. Do you want me to tell the entire story here..?
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Jan 10 2011, 01:17 AM (Post #6)
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Some lunatic went to an outdoor event hosted by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Arizona (she's been in congress since '06)...and opened fire on pretty much everyone. Several were killed, including a 9-year-old girl who was born on 9/11/01 and who was attending because she just got elected to student council and "wanted to see how democracy works" or something, a federal judge who was appointed by Bush Sr. and who was a big advocate for increased Mexican-border security, and at least four others. A dozen or so are injured, including the Congresswoman who was shot through the head, but survives in critical condition.

It took about 45 seconds for left-leaning publications to 1. identify the shooter as a tea party activist, 2. point the finger at Sarah Palin because Giffords was one of 20 congressmen on her 'target list' for 2010, and 3., coincidentally, publish false reports that the Congresswoman had died.

It took another 30 seconds for right-leaning publications to make the argument that 1. nobody knows if his motivations were inspired by the tea party or Sarah Palin, 2. nobody knows if his motivations were even partisan/political, and 3. he is most likely a lunatic, like all mass shooters.

Reports have since surfaced that the guy was in the midst of reloading to take down another dozen or so people but some woman wrestled a magazine from his hand, and then two guys tackled him. Obviously, not before he did extensive damage.

There are three videos on the guy's youtube page which are a scramble of strange and practically illiterate screeds about "new currency" "conscious dreaming" and the kind of muddled bullshit you'd expect from a sexually repressed, wannabe-intellecual "left wing pothead" (as one of his classmates described him).

Oh, and he attempted to enlist in the army but was rejected, and was prone to random outbursts in his college-level algebra class for which he was kicked out numerous times and ultimately banished.

If you're ready to make the connection between the overwhelmingly common usage of war-rhetoric in politics and this guy's shooting dozens of people at a Congresswoman's event, then I guess you're ready to hold the Beatles responsible for the Manson murders, or J.D. Salinger for Lennon's murder—because those artists created a "climate of rebellion" or something.

"Target" "ammunition" "trenches" "assault" "retreat" "surrender" "snipe" "dropped a bomb"--the list goes on and on and on of words that are used in political campaigns and political journalism—on a daily basis.

So far, there is zero evidence that this guy was motivated by right-wing politics or rhetoric. Zero.
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Jan 10 2011, 01:22 AM (Post #7)
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From what I gather, someone shot a democrat and everyone's disappointed he's still alive. Obama called for a moment of silence.
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Jan 10 2011, 06:33 AM (Post #8)
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QUOTE (Jodi Gajadar @ Jan 9 2011, 06:17 PM)
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Should America change the way politics is run in this country? I doubt it will, but this is a philosophical question.
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Jan 10 2011, 09:56 PM (Post #9)
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QUOTE (HAHAHA @ Jan 9 2011, 08:15 PM)
Your favorite media outlet has what you need to know. Do you want me to tell the entire story here..?
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Yes, isn't that what we usually do? Post an article in quotes, then a link? Or at least give some context in your own words, if you're feeling ambitious.

I suppose you were assuming everyone knew what you were talking about, but seriously, I've been out of the loop for a while.

QUOTE (Jodi Gajadar @ Jan 9 2011, 08:17 PM)
Some lunatic went to an outdoor event hosted by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Arizona (she's been in congress since '06)...and opened fire on pretty much everyone. Several were killed, including a 9-year-old girl who was born on 9/11/01 and who was attending because she just got elected to student council and "wanted to see how democracy works" or something, a federal judge who was appointed by Bush Sr. and who was a big advocate for increased Mexican-border security, and at least four others. A dozen or so are injured, including the Congresswoman who was shot through the head, but survives in critical condition.

It took about 45 seconds for left-leaning publications to 1. identify the shooter as a tea party activist, 2. point the finger at Sarah Palin because Giffords was one of 20 congressmen on her 'target list' for 2010, and 3., coincidentally, publish false reports that the Congresswoman had died.

It took another 30 seconds for right-leaning publications to make the argument that 1. nobody knows if his motivations were inspired by the tea party or Sarah Palin, 2. nobody knows if his motivations were even partisan/political, and 3. he is most likely a lunatic, like all mass shooters.

Reports have since surfaced that the guy was in the midst of reloading to take down another dozen or so people but some woman wrestled a magazine from his hand, and then two guys tackled him. Obviously, not before he did extensive damage.

There are three videos on the guy's youtube page which are a scramble of strange and practically illiterate screeds about "new currency" "conscious dreaming" and the kind of muddled bullshit you'd expect from a sexually repressed, wannabe-intellecual "left wing pothead" (as one of his classmates described him).

Oh, and he attempted to enlist in the army but was rejected, and was prone to random outbursts in his college-level algebra class for which he was kicked out numerous times and ultimately banished.

If you're ready to make the connection between the overwhelmingly common usage of war-rhetoric in politics and this guy's shooting dozens of people at a Congresswoman's event, then I guess you're ready to hold the Beatles responsible for the Manson murders, or J.D. Salinger for Lennon's murder—because those artists created a "climate of rebellion" or something.

"Target" "ammunition" "trenches" "assault" "retreat" "surrender" "snipe" "dropped a bomb"--the list goes on and on and on of words that are used in political campaigns and political journalism—on a daily basis.

So far, there is zero evidence that this guy was motivated by right-wing politics or rhetoric. Zero.
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Thank you.

I'll give my thoughts later, if I happen to come up with anything insightful to add to this.
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Mar 10 2011, 04:46 PM (Post #10)
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Speaking of violent rhetoric, y'all should have been on twitter or one of the livestreams last night after the Wisconsin vote. Here is a very small, but characteristic sampling of how the grassroots left reacted to the vote: http://www.therightscoop.com/death-wishes-...ker-on-twitter/
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