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Feb 8 2011, 12:54 AM (Post #1)
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Bill O'Reilly vs. Barry Soetoro
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Feb 8 2011, 04:27 AM (Post #2)
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That turned out to be rather uneventful, uncomfortable, and kind of pathetic, now didn't it?
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Feb 8 2011, 04:44 PM (Post #3)
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I thought a couple of points were interesting though. First, when Obama said that he wasn't trying to redistribute wealth. I've never heard of a liberal that didn't want to redistribute wealth. The second point was when Obama said that he just wanted news stations to report just "the facts".

I want to believe him, and I want to like him...but I just can't.
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Feb 8 2011, 08:25 PM (Post #4)
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That interview was kind of weaksauce.
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Feb 9 2011, 02:52 AM (Post #5)
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Yeah...I mean I didn't expect O'Reilly to berate Obama, but at least I expected him to express some of the frustrations he has with the Obama administration in general and ask some tough questions.
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Feb 9 2011, 04:24 AM (Post #6)
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QUOTE (Dancing Fool @ Feb 8 2011, 11:44 AM)
I've never heard of a liberal that didn't want to redistribute wealth. 
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Me neither. But I've also never heard of one in power who actually admits it openly.
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Feb 9 2011, 10:03 PM (Post #7)
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QUOTE (Dancing Fool @ Feb 8 2011, 07:52 PM)
Yeah...I mean I didn't expect O'Reilly to berate Obama, but at least I expected him to express some of the frustrations he has with the Obama administration in general and ask some tough questions.
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I thought it was particularly condescending for O'Reilly to ask Obama if he knew anything about football, then berate him for being a basketball guy.
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Feb 10 2011, 06:55 AM (Post #8)
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QUOTE (HAHAHA @ Feb 9 2011, 05:03 PM)
I thought it was particularly condescending for O'Reilly to ask Obama if he knew anything about football, then berate him for being a basketball guy.
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Leave it to the swaths of Fox News acolytes to follow O'Reilly into the ground, too. Praise for O'Reilly irritates me more than the man himself.
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Feb 10 2011, 06:28 PM (Post #9)
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QUOTE (Dancing Fool @ Feb 8 2011, 08:44 AM)
I thought a couple of points were interesting though.  First, when Obama said that he wasn't trying to redistribute wealth.  I've never heard of a liberal that didn't want to redistribute wealth.  The second point was when Obama said that he just wanted news stations to report just "the facts". 

I want to believe him, and I want to like him...but I just can't.
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Well, that's Congress's job. Last fall it voted to redistribute wealth from the younger generation (us) to the older generation through those ridiculous tax cuts.
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Feb 10 2011, 08:36 PM (Post #10)
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Well, usually a liberal president will support that action. In general, liberals look to redistribute wealth. As far as tax cuts go, I look at that as the congress trying to apply a fiscal policy in order to combat inflation.
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QUOTE (Dancing Fool @ Feb 10 2011, 12:36 PM)
Well, usually a liberal president will support that action. In general, liberals look to redistribute wealth. As far as tax cuts go, I look at that as the congress trying to apply a fiscal policy in order to combat inflation.
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For many reasons, the effect of tax cuts is anything but decreased inflationary pressure...

Liberals look to redistribute wealth from wealthy to poor in general, but generally sectionally. There's no particular emphasis on generations.

If entitlements (i.e. transfers from us to the older generation) were a partisan ordeal, they would never have ballooned to be as big of a problem as they are today.
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Feb 11 2011, 02:56 AM (Post #12)
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Whether tax cuts work to decrease inflation, or deflate the economy, is a cause for debate and, in general, its success is dependent on a number of different factors.

Liberals look to redistribute wealth from wealthy to poor, and I think that's what you meant. It's a commonly known fact that this is part of liberal ideology.

When debates of entitlements come into play, that doesn't just include entitlements to the old - or transfers from our generation to the older generation. Social Security is an entitlement, but so is unemployment, welfare, medicaid and medicare programs, etc. Welfare and unemployment are ones that, I feel, need the biggest overhaul. I get rather tired of seeing women, at least around here, getting a job and then getting pregnant - just to kick the guy out of the house and get child support, go on welfare, and get unemployment at the same time. It's a rather corrupt system.
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Feb 11 2011, 05:06 AM (Post #13)
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QUOTE (HAHAHA @ Feb 9 2011, 05:03 PM)
I thought it was particularly condescending for O'Reilly to ask Obama if he knew anything about football, then berate him for being a basketball guy.
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False choice, they are both stupid sports worthy of berating.
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QUOTE (Dancing Fool @ Feb 10 2011, 06:56 PM)
Whether tax cuts work to decrease inflation, or deflate the economy, is a cause for debate and, in general, its success is dependent on a number of different factors.

Of course the actual inflation will depend on a multitude of factors but the direct effect of tax cuts is increased demand for consumable goods.

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Liberals look to redistribute wealth from wealthy to poor, and I think that's what you meant.  It's a commonly known fact that this is part of liberal ideology.

Whoops...

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When debates of entitlements come into play, that doesn't just include entitlements to the old - or transfers from our generation to the older generation.  Social Security is an entitlement, but so is unemployment, welfare, medicaid and medicare programs, etc.  Welfare and unemployment are ones that, I feel, need the biggest overhaul.  I get rather tired of seeing women, at least around here, getting a job and then getting pregnant - just to kick the guy out of the house and get child support, go on welfare, and get unemployment at the same time.  It's a rather corrupt system.
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It is a rather corrupt system for sure, and it needs overhaul. But I disagree that social security is more of a problem than entitlements to the old (promises made that cannot be kept).

Social security is a concept that makes a lot of sense: If you're out of a job (temporarily), you get a little help until you get back up. As for the other components of welfare, I agree that the incentives are totally misaligned but the intent is sensible. You wouldn't want pregnant mothers to live in poverty, especially since that would create an innocent victim (the child).

As for entitlements, they were established in an era when people weren't expected to live up to the retirement age. Now that medical care has dramatically improved, the entitlement programs need to change to reflect that. The retirement age should not be statically defined, but rather tied to cross-sectional data about life expectancy. If you want 80% coverage, then the retirement age should be set at the 20 percentile death age.
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Feb 11 2011, 02:29 PM (Post #15)
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QUOTE (Jinghao @ Feb 11 2011, 06:48 AM)
Of course the actual inflation will depend on a multitude of factors but the direct effect of tax cuts is increased demand for consumable goods.

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I believe that the hope is that this increased demand will eventually balance out with supply. Yes, if you have a tax cut, demand will increase, causing more inflation (or higher prices). I believe that the purpose is, however, to offer more incentive for businesses to produce more since, according to the law of supply and demand, suppliers will be willing to produce more given a higher price. Like I said, the effectiveness of tax cuts to reduce inflation depends on a number of different factors. The effectiveness of Reaganomics is a prime example of that fact.

QUOTE (Jinghao @ Feb 11 2011, 06:48 AM)
Social security is a concept that makes a lot of sense: If you're out of a job (temporarily), you get a little help until you get back up. As for the other components of welfare, I agree that the incentives are totally misaligned but the intent is sensible. You wouldn't want pregnant mothers to live in poverty, especially since that would create an innocent victim (the child).
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Yes, it does make a lot of sense. However, I believe it needs reform to help prevent abuse of the system.

QUOTE (Jinghao @ Feb 11 2011, 06:48 AM)
As for entitlements, they were established in an era when people weren't expected to live up to the retirement age. Now that medical care has dramatically improved, the entitlement programs need to change to reflect that. The retirement age should not be statically defined, but rather tied to cross-sectional data about life expectancy. If you want 80% coverage, then the retirement age should be set at the 20 percentile death age.
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I agree with you, here. This sounds like an excellent idea.
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